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Mavrothal Quote from: why on July 07, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
can you confirm the 1.8 Gig max. file size for personal settings?  Mine is currently just over 2 Gigs without problems, but I've got memory management and loaded startup applications reduced greatly, also my desktop/panel functionality is actually reduced by XFCE panel selection.

Never went that high with a savefile. I use "save to the entire partition" in my "non-testing" XO  Cheesy

Now, can you be a bit more explicit about "memory management", "loaded startup applications reduced" and "XFCE panel selection"

I've reduced the startup apps. under /root/startup, didn't particularly want the "Freememory" panel bar function, or the CPU "PerCentage Used" either.

The above "XFCE Panel Selection" refers to importing XFCE under the package manager, doing that enables XFCE "Styles" to be used for the desktop which I am now using.  I prefer those "Styles" over what's otherwise available, particularly the panel display items.

Quote from: why on July 07, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
the CD/DVD burner is quite functional too ;-)

Did you actually use it?

Yep    Not a really full-featured CD/DVD burner but I tested the CD copy function without problems.  Actually, my question about the maximum file size for "Save Settings" is related, I got a "Temp. file Size" error under the DVD burning menu until I adjusted by moving the temp file onto another medium.

[mavrothal]

I've reduced the startup apps. under /root/startup, didn't particularly want the "Freememory" panel bar function, or the CPU "PerCentage Used" either.

Ah those... Yes I would agree for both. You can also check for other system services that you may turn off (Mevu->System-> BootManager->System services)

The above "XFCE Panel Selection" refers to importing XFCE under the package manager, doing that enables XFCE "Styles" to be used for the desktop which I am now using.  I prefer those "Styles" over what's otherwise available, particularly the panel display items.

I find XFCE considerably "heavier" for the XO-1. No?...


Tried Frisbee yet?  

[why]

I'm connecting with "Simple Connect" right now, is "Frisbee" a "Keyring" (security) application or just a Network Manager?

If it automates the Network wifi feature I'll give it a try, I've read on previous posts that it doesn't support Suspend/Resume connectivity but I'm not using my XO for that and the "Simple Connect" function is kind of repetitious.

Not really worried about security either, I set the XO on "Airport" mode with wifi disabled when not using it and the Router is of course PW protected.  If someone is interested enough in my passwords, etc. to physically break into my system (IE apartment) while I'm not there then they're welcome to it ;-)

Regarding XFCE being a "heavier" desktop, I don't run the Xstart full environment, but as I've said the "Styles" are enabled after installing the package and I like the color contrast (and panel options) better.

Thanks again for this platform, think TeaPot will eventually get around to updating his Ubuntu flavor?  

That and DebXO are my longest running desktop choices, but currently I've got 2 images loaded on SDHC/USB media, one is Puppy, of course ;-)

 

[mavrothal]

I'm connecting with "Simple Connect" right now, is "Frisbee" a "Keyring" (security) application or just a Network Manager?

If it automates the Network wifi feature I'll give it a try, I've read on previous posts that it doesn't support Suspend/Resume connectivity but I'm not using my XO for that and the "Simple Connect" function is kind of repetitious.

Is a network manager and also provides roaming.
Is just 2 clicks to connect on a new network. Open the application and it gives you all the available networks. Pick one, click "create profile" provide  password if needed and that's it!
In the pet that I posted I have fixed auto-connect on know networks and resume/suspend

Regarding XFCE being a "heavier" desktop, I don't run the Xstart full environment, but as I've said the "Styles" are enabled after installing the package and I like the color contrast (and panel options) better.

What styles? you mean the XFCE panel/menus?

Thanks again for this platform, think TeaPot will eventually get around to updating his Ubuntu flavor?

I really doubt it. It said so a couple of times but I think he just moved on.
If he would put some time, would be easy for him. There is already a Lucid howto as well as a ready image

Maybe you do it!

[why]

Me?  Write a new Ubuntu Image for the X01?  No thanks ;-)

I'm not THAT far above the typical "End User", I like to tinker but am not a code writer, I simply modify software "Machines" written by others.  Perhaps I'm a non-code software Mechanic, if I give myself that much credit  

Even if several years down the road I were willing (semi-retired) to commit enough time/effort to that kind of project, I'd not likely produce the polished images you and TeaPot have given us.

But thanks for the compliment ;-)


RE the previous comment:

XFCE "Styles" are available under GTK 2.0 after installing that puppy package, the Desktop "Theme Chooser" then allows users to choose several flavors (styles) of XFCE.  I like those better than the defaults, particularly the panel apps.

So I don't run the full XFCE environment, I just tweak the theme to suit my tastes. 

[blinky]

Is there a way to type in Chinese on the xo under xopup?

PS Further to my previous posts, I couldn't get skype voice chat working.no matter what I tried. My friend could hear me, but it was always too garbled to understand. If anyone has found any other way to get voip working on the xo, I'd be interested to hear how.

[mavrothal]

blinky,
for Chinese look in this post. It is actually for Puppy 5.2  but should do for XOpup too.
One little problem is that the file has Chinese, Korean and Japanese together  and is rather big. Find it here
Or you may want to visit the chinese puppy site. XOpup is pretty compatible with Puppy 5.1/5.2

Regarding voip you may want to try the Pidgin_Full_Video-2.7.3.sfs (I haven't tried it:-[)

[canin]

hello,

well i think i will try xo-pup, also. since this is a totally new flavor of linux, pls apologize my questions. i used fedora, and ubuntu:
1)  its not based on any distro, but its debian-near?
2) package manager is using compressed precompiled binaries?  no need to install, just unpack them and reboot?
3) to compile, i need an extra pet (i think i found sth on the homepage of puppy)
4) a pet is more or less a precompiled software package?
5) are there any tips or hints when someone really doesnt know anything about puppy which is absolutely different from other distros (besides the names and package manager)
im  trying this anyways, but im a little bit stumbling, maybe i cant understand this infos

thx 4 your help!

edit: i think the build announcements where explaining some missing points. pls, explain the other basics, though.

[mavrothal]

1)  its not based on any distro, but its debian-near?
2) package manager is using compressed precompiled binaries?  no need to install, just unpack them and reboot?
3) to compile, i need an extra pet (i think i found sth on the homepage of puppy)
4) a pet is more or less a precompiled software package?
5) are there any tips or hints when someone really doesnt know anything about puppy which is absolutely different from other distros (besides the names and package manager)

1) Puppy 5.x and XOpup is binary compatible (mostly) with Ubuntu 10.04LTS. Though a lot of stuff is done differently with many gtkdialog-based apps. Explore the (deep ) menus
2) No need to reboot. Just click and wait. Is fairly primitive and does not do a very good job with dependencies. Specially if you use the Ubuntu repos.
3) Correct. You need the xopup_devx_203.sfs. Get it from the sfs tab of quickpet or from here, where you can also find kernel devel and headers if needed.
4) Correct.
5) As I said a lot of the apps are puppy-specific and the UI is a bit different, so you need to do some looking around.
If you do not find a pet you want in PPM and the Ubuntu version is nor working either, check the puppy forum. There are hundreds/thousands of pets  uploaded that are not in the official puppy repo.

[canin]

  thx for your answers, booting now...and i love to watch the good view of booting messages. thx!

edit:
totally impressive
 

[mavrothal]

PS Further to my previous posts, I couldn't get skype voice chat working.no matter what I tried.

Sound quality improved dramatically if you inactivate pulseaudio and so Skype will use ALSA. Particularly with Skype 2.0.0.72, is almost like a "normal" PC.
However, removing pulse audio will brake the video playback
If you want to try it, move to another location /usr/lib/libpulse* and /usr/lib/ao/plugins2/libpulse*, Remove /root/.Skype, /root/.pulse and /root/.pulse_cookie, reboot and try Skype again.
If everything is ok it should start from the User agreement screen.

[blinky]

Hi Mavrothal

Thanks, I will try to follow your instructions re skype (basically just remove/move those 4 files, right?).

Re the Chinese, is it this one?:

lang_pack_ja-lupq-0.5.pet

(You said it was large and had Japanese, Korean and Chinese together...)

Another thing, I've installed lucid pup on a usb stick to use on my big laptop after being so impressed with xopup on the xo. I'd also like to set lupup up on a usb stick for my Chinese girlfriend as a backup so she can access her files when her (pirated) (typical Chinese! : ) version of windows goes wrong, as it regularly does. I enquired about it and followed links to quickset lupq... Can I use the lupq language pets on lucid puppy, or do I have to install lupq to utilise them? I see that the language pet you suggested for xopup is a lupq pet, so it would seem that it would be OK to use it in Lupup too. But that makes me wonder what the point of installing the quickset lupq is. (My Chinese is not good enough yet to navigate the minilux page about Chinese puppy.)

[mavrothal]

Re the Chinese, is it this one?:

lang_pack_ja-lupq-0.5.pet

(You said it was large and had Japanese, Korean and Chinese together...)

I believe is the lang_pack_cjk-lupq-0.2.sfs. See here

I'd also like to set lupup up on a usb stick for my Chinese girlfriend as a backup so she can access her files when her (pirated) (typical Chinese! : ) version of windows goes wrong, as it regularly does. I enquired about it and followed links to quickset lupq... Can I use the lupq language pets on lucid puppy, or do I have to install lupq to utilise them? I see that the language pet you suggested for xopup is a lupq pet, so it would seem that it would be OK to use it in Lupup too. But that makes me wonder what the point of installing the quickset lupq is. (My Chinese is not good enough yet to navigate the minilux page about Chinese puppy.)

The lupq files are more compatible with Puppy 5.1.x. they should work with Puppy 5.2.x but I do not know how well.
LupQ is designed to be multilingual and has some extra specific apps to make it easier for the user to set up the lanquage. So unless you absolutely need 5.25, I would go with LupQ for other languages.

[mavrothal]

Just in time for the traveling season , in the Norther hemisphere, I have updated XOpup to XOpup-2.2.RC (xopup-204).

There is a number of updates, additions, bugfixes etc over and under the hood (see changelog for details), but the most noticeable for the user, is the addition of the Frisbee network manager that makes connecting to the internet a breeze...

To install XOpup-2.2.RC just download XOpup-2.2.RC.tar.gz expand it at the root of any USB or SDcard (no special formatting needed) and boot your XO-1 or XO-1.5. But first please do see the build Announcement.

To update from a previous xopup-20x build and keep using your previous save file/partition and personal data,just expand the tarball at the root of the USB/SDcard that you run XOpup from. XOpup will detect the change and update itself. Depending on the size of your savefile and USB/SDcard speed, the update process may take 2-3 minutes.
After you update, make sure that you check the /tmp/versioncleanup/ folder in case there are configuration files you have modified and you want to keep/restore

If you do an update instead of a clean/new install, Frisbee may have difficulties connecting immediately after the update.
Reboot after the version update and then use Frisbee for the first time.
Alternatively, before you update to version 204, install the Frisbee_XO-2.pet that will properly reset your settings, and then update and enjoy.

[why]

Mavrothal,

Thanks for the update, I've got a sound (alsa) issue tho.  

After doing a suspend/resume the volume resets to 81% and will adjust but always returns to that level within 8 to 10 seconds.

Pre-suspend there's not an issue, I can adjust volume and that sound level is maintained.  I've already looked at the "alsamixer" and "alsa-config" functions, I'm guessing that "Resume" triggers a default sound level using an .SH file but haven't identified it.

This occurs whether using VLC, Mplayer, or Audacious so is unrelated to the multimedia software being used.

One interesting note, while adjusting sound levels (post-suspend) in "alsamixer" the vertical control "slider" panels reset Automatically, even while I'm changing the volumes  

While this isn't a critical issue I'm perplexed, haven't run into it before.  And (Just so you know) this issue isn't recent, it's always happened with Puppy but I've just considered it to be a nuisance that I'd eventually get around to fixing but it's proving to be elusive  

Meanwhile I'll run the update you've just posted, thanks again for the great support!